Menashe Posted November 18, 2021 Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Does version 5.X is open sourced? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600Hz Employees mc_ Posted November 18, 2021 2600Hz Employees Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Not currently. We've rolled 5.0 out to our hosted platform and select customers to iron out the technical challenges with 4.3->5.0 upgrades. The app exchange is in active development, which I believe is the last component to the release of the open-source components of KAZOO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menashe Posted November 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 Does it means that the open source project is not longer will be available? Is there any plan to release the version 5.X under open source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600Hz Employees mc_ Posted November 18, 2021 2600Hz Employees Report Share Posted November 18, 2021 The plan is to re-open-source all the applications and core that 4.3 currently has (so apps like Crossbar, Teletype, Ecallmgr, etc). One lesson from the 3.22->4.0 upgrade we learned was people will try the new stuff before its officially ready, encounter issues and complain, and revert back to 3.22. The other complaint is that we want to address is from open-source folks wanting to purchase our closed-source apps (like our call center app qubicle). Due to the nature of how the Erlang VM works, this isn't really do-able via "rpm install" methods. So we've taken more time to develop 5.0 behind the scenes so folks don't start using it and lose confidence before it even has a chance. We've been upgrading our clusters with it to iron out upgrade-related bugs, accidental backwards incompatibilities, and the like. Concurrent with all this is the app exchange and a mechanism to deliver closed-source apps like qubicle to open-source clusters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpbp Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 That's great, we're interested in purchasing apps for advanced features but remaining on the open source release. I was surprised we had to go full "Global Infrastructure" to access those apps after speaking to the sales guys. Thanks for an amazing project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600Hz Employees mc_ Posted November 19, 2021 2600Hz Employees Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Yeah we currently have to deploy those apps to trusted environments to prevent piracy. The app exchange will include a distribution mechanism to handle this better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitrate Posted April 4, 2022 Report Share Posted April 4, 2022 Greetings and thank you for making such a great open source project! We're also using the open source version and are interested in purchasing apps from you guys. Whats going on with this and the open source 5.0 release? Also, whats the timeframe on the 4.3 re-release with all the apps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 7:28 PM, Bitrate said: Greetings and thank you for making such a great open source project! We're also using the open source version and are interested in purchasing apps from you guys. Whats going on with this and the open source 5.0 release? Also, whats the timeframe on the 4.3 re-release with all the apps? Great questions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600Hz Employees mc_ Posted April 11, 2022 2600Hz Employees Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 On 4/4/2022 at 4:28 PM, Bitrate said: Greetings and thank you for making such a great open source project! We're also using the open source version and are interested in purchasing apps from you guys. Whats going on with this and the open source 5.0 release? Also, whats the timeframe on the 4.3 re-release with all the apps? 4.3 remains open. Aside from high priority bug fixes and such, that branch is "done". So the latest 4.3 RPMs represent the end of the line for that development. For 5.0 + purchasing private apps, there should be annoucements at this year's virtual KAZOOCon. We're anxious to get 5.0 back into public repos but want to make sure as many issues are ironed out before doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted April 11, 2022 Report Share Posted April 11, 2022 4 hours ago, mc_ said: We're anxious to get 5.0 back into public repos but want to make sure as many issues are ironed out before doing so. Any guesstimate on an ETA? I recall having this same conversation over a year ago. Is it really going to get released? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600Hz Employees mc_ Posted April 12, 2022 2600Hz Employees Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 I can't answer an ETA as its outside my purview; I can only say that I'm very annoyingly asking the same questions internally. I have assurances that code/applications in 4.3 will resume their open status in 5.x when we're given the go-ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted April 12, 2022 Report Share Posted April 12, 2022 Glad to hear it. Can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extremerotary Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 Good afternoon, Any update on the 5.0 or 5.1 releases? Certain applications are available in the staging repository, but not all of them so there are many dependency issues when attempting to upgrade from 4.3 to 5.0 or 5.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaben Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 Hey @mc_ With the current license of the kazoo repository, can we please get the code changes for 5.x (even if not on master, to a dedicated branch) published to the main repository. At this time as changes are being made to the core code base, without publishing changes, this is a breach of the Mozilla Public License Version 2.0 License which requires: 3. Responsibilities ------------------- 3.1. Distribution of Source Form All distribution of Covered Software in Source Code Form, including any Modifications that You create or to which You contribute, must be under the terms of this License. You must inform recipients that the Source Code Form of the Covered Software is governed by the terms of this License, and how they can obtain a copy of this License. You may not attempt to alter or restrict the recipients' rights in the Source Code Form. cc: @DanH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600Hz Employees mc_ Posted November 16, 2022 2600Hz Employees Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 Not a lawyer so can't comment on that. I don't agree with your interpretation of this section. The 2600hz/kazoo repo contains the available source code; the kazoo5 repositories are not open source yet. The license (again IANAL) does not require those providing a service on top of the code to distribute their changes (I think only AGPL really compels that); 2600Hz provides the services to our customers so I don't think there's an obligation to provide the source, even to customers. I'm just as frustrated as any one else at how long 5.0 is taking to be released back to open source but I don't think the company is in breach. But I guess you can always engage a lawyer versed in open source licenses to figure it out for you and compel the company if so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted November 16, 2022 Report Share Posted November 16, 2022 @mc_ I tend to agree with your legal interpretation (I'm no lawyer either though). I certainly do hope that 2600hz does release it though. I've been working on some projects that would integrate with it that I think would add some synergy, but until its released, I'll have no idea. Meanwhile, I play with 4.3. Fingers crossed for 5.x OSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4M14N Posted January 28, 2023 Report Share Posted January 28, 2023 Sigh. Ive been waiting years to push our Kazoo to production waiting for 5.0 and the app exchange(Seriously, I think I started the evaluation of Kazoo around 2020). But Zack you are wrong here. The MPL requires distribution of the software have source code also released, but Kazoo has not distributed anything publicly of 5, so there is no need for code to be distributed yet. Your interpretation of the license would require you to push every edit, revision, commit, keystroke, etc to be made public. The only people who could possibly have a case for arguing for access to the source code would be people who have paid for Global Infrastructure, which given how much it costs, they probably do have access to the code. What would really be helpful though, other than even a rough quater or even year estimate for release of 5, is an understanding of the upgrade from 4.3 to 5. How much effort will the upgrade be? Should we just push 4.3 into prod because the process to upgrade to 5.x will take only a few hours? Or is it better to wait a few more months and deploy straight to 5? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Labonne Posted March 1, 2023 Report Share Posted March 1, 2023 My main concern is the change of FreeSWITCH repos to SignalWire. I don't blame SignalWire for making this move, I was able to attain a Personal Access Token from them with no fuss. But the current 4.3 packages are looking for FreeSwitch repos which have moved and require this PAT to access them. So either we just migrate to 5.x open source or we fix 4.3 open source. I'm game for either and I'm volunteering to get my hands dirty to do this 4.3 fix. Has anyone come up with a sure-fire hack to get around the FreeSwitch/SignalWire repo issues on 4.3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooseable Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 Do we even know if we will get a new version in time so we can get off Centos7 before it hits EOL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 I don't think I've seen a roadmap for 5.x OSS release. Would be nice if they did, because I assume there would be some community assistance in debugging and features. I've got one of my guys that I've asked to start learning Erlang so that we can assist when that day comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNERD Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, krzykat said: I don't think I've seen a roadmap for 5.x OSS release. Would be nice if they did, because I assume there would be some community assistance in debugging and features. I've got one of my guys that I've asked to start learning Erlang so that we can assist when that day comes. Because there is no roadmap. They indicated 3+ years ago that they would release a app market before they would release Kazoo 5. That app market has never come to fruition. I don't think there any more plans on Open Source. Even their Quaterly News report stopped over a year ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted March 28, 2023 Report Share Posted March 28, 2023 34 minutes ago, KNERD said: Because there is no roadmap. They indicated 3+ years ago that they would release a app market before they would release Kazoo 5. That app market has never come to fruition. I don't think there any more plans on Open Source. Even their Quaterly News report stopped over a year ago. If that is the case, and I sincereley hope its not, then I think someone from 2600Hz / Kazoo should say that so that people that are on the fence either using 4.3 and awaiting 5.x or those that are just waiting for it to begin with to make a decision on what direction to go can make an informed decision. It was originally stated that 5.x would be OSS, so if the powers that be have changed their decision on that, please let us know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Labonne Posted March 30, 2023 Report Share Posted March 30, 2023 @mc_ Appreciate you asking and following up persistently. We do appreciate this project and all of the work that was freely given to the community. Still can't help feeling antsy as we thought the release of 5.x would have come a lot sooner. Just as important as the actual release is setting the expectation of when it will be released. I for one don't want my superiors questioning whether we should continue with Kazoo vs FreePBX. I'm sure you understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooseable Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 I also get why they don't want to release v5 as per a previous statement that people tend to "jump right to it" without testing themselves, then probably cause a bunch of complaints/support requests. But if we are anywhere near an open-source release, I would love if some of us could gain access to or sign up for the v5 open-source release for testing. But as @Chris Labonne stated, we are in that process of deciding to stick with Kazoo or not. And I'd love to do another Kazoo Community Training video with the updated v5. I've kinda held off creating anything as I don't want it to be outdated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krzykat Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 12:11 AM, Mooseable said: I also get why they don't want to release v5 as per a previous statement that people tend to "jump right to it" without testing themselves, then probably cause a bunch of complaints/support requests. That's actually the beauty of OSS. You get to release even alpha or beta software, and get help from the community on any potential issues or bugs and they actually help bring the product to market faster. There's a reason why many companies have a strategy of different release versions and use of nightlies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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